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From: sheal933@buzzard.csrv.uidaho.edu (EARGOBS)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.cyberpunk,alt.postmodern,alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo,alt.cyberpunk.movement,misc.writing
Subject: Re: Fantasy is the mother of all genres!
Date: 21 May 1995 02:42:08 GMT
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Adrian Preston (te_s343@kingston.ac.uk) wrote:
The only rational response to this thread.
Really, what the point? Who gives a shit?
I have been a fan of SF (death to all who write/say "sci-fi") and Fantasy
for most of my life, as well as a fan of other genres and fiction in
general. A. Preston makes some very valid points. Ultimately, genre is a
marketing device. The things you people are arguing about, the
definitions you propose, are merely the conventions of a genre. If you
want to sell a Fantasy book, you write a book about magic, feudal
societies, swords. SF? Well, you write about time travel, space travel,
advanced technology.
This should be pretty obvious.
The fact that this thread is even a topic for discussion is incredibly
amusing to me. The first thing to understand about definitions is that
anyone can make them, and they are only valid within very limited context.
I'd much rather see a discussion on how to revive what seem to be two
genres weighed down with a set of self-imposed limitations.
Talk is cheap, as they say. Any half-brain can pontificate on the
differences between SF and Fantasy. I am not impressed.
EARGOBS
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runexe@netcom.com (Doug Geiger) writes:
>I'm getting this UNIX dial-up for 17.95 a month, unlimited usage, 19.95
>startup was waived, along with first months fee with a offer in the back
>on the Internet Unleashed book on UNIX dial-up accounts
Hmm. I pay $96 a year (= $8 a month) for unlimited access; as
long as I can keep my butt in the chair and my eyes open (6 year rates
are even better). Oh, and no startup fee. For this money I get:
Every shell known to Unix, plus a custom one.
E-mail (w/pine, elm, etc.)
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IRC on our own server
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at and cron jobs
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Probably a bunch of other stuff I'm forgetting
Did I mention telnet account rates are cheaper than dialup?
Just curious, can anyone beat that?
--
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Subject: Re: Fantasy is the mother of all genres!
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 08:46:23 GMT
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Yeah, and mine's bigger than yours.
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MindBlade
"A Jedi must have the deepest commitment, the most serious mind"
-Yoda
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